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a dog is a pretty spiffy job on account of there’s really
not much work to do and I eat good so what else could there be?...Well,
every now and then, Dave seems unhappy after talking to a client.
He seems upset about something the voice says on the phone. From
what I can figure out, the person exchanged “bones,”
for a horse, (humans call that “money”…which,
by the way is no use to me ‘cause I can’t chew or
what happens is that the person finds out that all the bones he
gives to another person to make the “deal” all didn’t
go to the human that really owned the horse.
Now I’m not smart like Dave, but my dog pals wouldn’t
think that’s right….seems the middle person got most
of the “bones” and didn’t tell everyone else.
Me and my dog friends would just go bite the bad human but Dave’s
clients just hire a lawyer…go figure!
on Michael Page of New York
First Horse Show
courtesy of Mr. Page)
Mr. Page is pictured
here showing “Landsohn” in
the New York HITS I May, 2005 Level 6 jumping class.
an extensive riding career which shows no signs of letting up
Michael continues to be one of the busiest and most successful
riding clinicians in the show horse world; he regularly gives
10 to 12 clinics still judges 4 to 5 major horse shows annually.
He won the prestigious AHSA Medal finals in 1956 and represented
the United States riding on the US team in 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964,
1967, and 1968.
been in the horse business for well over 40 years and it never
ceases to amaze me how smart people do some very dumb things when
buying the 1st show horse.
Lots of great people have written volumes on horse buying but
from my perspective here’s what you HAVE TO DO:
“Trust but Verify,” from an old Russian proverb, applies
now more than ever. Know from where your trainer is getting the
horse and if there’s a show record…get it!
2. Get every scrap of prior veterinary history on the prospect
and if the agent stalls around go elsewhere to look for a prospect
3. Verify all registration and show recording numbers making sure
that everything matches up to the horse you’re looking at.
4. The pre-purchase exam is an absolute “must.” Make
sure you pick the veterinarian…not the seller; the vet will
need to see the previous records we talked about in number 2 above.
5. If everything checks out make sure you wire transfer the funds
to the actual person who really owns the animal. The horse’s
owner will then be responsible for paying out commissions due
to their agent or broker.
BUT NOT LEAST…CALL ME AT 800-575-1669 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
AFTER ALL, IT’S FREE ADVICE AND IT COULD SAVE YOU LOTS OF
Commentary (Equine Agents)
When looking for the
“perfect” horse it’s often a very good idea
to retain the services of an agent.
Whoever the professional is, make sure that they sign a document
drawn up by your attorney that simply lays out what you expect
of them as an agent and what fees are to be paid back to them.
Remember, the agent has a fiduciary, (IE, “money”),
responsibility to act only in your behalf as if you were right
Picking a Trainer
I’ve written before about the very special relationship between
a trainer and the client.
The safety, (and money), of you, your child and your horse are in
the hands of the horse professional.
Should you have even
the slightest doubts… trust your instincts. Perhaps there’s
just a normal misunderstanding but there could be a potential
fraud that’s about to be perpetrated on you, your child
or your horse.
I need to point out that most horse professionals work
hard and are honest but unscrupulous professionals can’t
cheat their enemies just their friends. Even “good”
people can be tempted
when in a position to get big dollars.
The answer is to do your horse purchases in a very businesslike
way; in other words, FULL DISCLOSURE. (The honest professionals
will gladly comply with your wishes).
It is so very important to keep track of all documents relating
to your horse…here’s why.
I was asked to appraise eleven Quarter Horses for an estate that’s
in probate. The current owners of the horses could provide nothing
in the way of breeding records, show results or anything that
could possibly increase my valuation of these horses.
More importantly, the level of filth in and around the barn did
nothing to make me believe the horses were well cared for. In
addition, the horses were either very thin or were lame.
It doesn’t matter what was paid for these poor horses years
ago! Right now they’re really not worth much.
Legal rules of evidence demand that there be as many specifics
as possible…so keep your horse files up to date.
...A Few Thoughts by Amanda Simmons, Esq.
Courtesy of Ms. Simmons)
about fraud is not what gives the horse industry a black eye:
it’s the people who commit fraud that give it a black eye.
When a trainer tells you your horse is worth $50,000, but sells
it to a third party for $75,000 and takes the extra $25,000 without
telling you, that is fraud. When a trainer convinces you to buy
a horse for $100,000, but the seller was only asking $80,000 and
the trainer takes the extra $20,000 without telling you, that
because a lot of trainers do it does not make it legal.”
Whether you are the buyer or seller, you can prevent fraud by insisting
upon talking to the other party in the transaction to confirm the
purchase price and what commissions, if any, you are paying the
trainers/agents…and then, get that agreement in writing and
signed by the buyer, seller, and any and all trainers/agents who
helped negotiate the transaction.
In my 24 years of experience in the both the show and racing worlds,
that is the only way to be sure you are not being taken for a ride.
(Ms. Simmons may be reached in Orlando, FL at 407-843-8880)
started NAES more than 10 years ago with an eye to making sure
all horse owners and those interested in horses could depend on
NAES for the straight scoop on horses and prices. In addition,
Dave is one of the busiest horse activity experts in North America.
Because of his long history of working with so many breeds and
disciplines he's called upon to give his opinion in literally
hundreds of legal cases and horse appraisals.
is still an active horse show judge and, when time permits, continues
teaching at his wife's nationally known stable, Willoway Farm, Inc.,
in Phoenix, Arizona.
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